00:00:48 Robert Irving: long time no see! 00:02:39 Robert DeFabrizio: My daughter cut my hair. Not too bad. 00:03:38 Robert Irving: my girlfriend cut mine. luckily the bald spots are in the back, so I can’t see them 00:03:45 Diana Saylor: a big part of mindfulness is observing what happens without judgment! 00:04:50 Kaitlin Connolly: I still haven’t showered, which is why the camera has remained off today :-o 00:05:07 Karen Scoville: Don’t be jealous; it’s 100 here now, lol 00:05:46 Nicole Dyszlewski: Hi, everyone! Just a reminder that this session is being recorded AND I will be drawing a door prize at the end of the session! 00:07:39 Jan Gross: No audio on this speaker 00:07:39 Cynthia Bassett: I’m not hearing Andrea. Is it just me? 00:07:42 Jennifer Finch: has sound cut out for everyone? 00:07:46 Mallory Hitt: It’s me too 00:07:47 Courtney Selby: nope - no audio 00:07:47 Megan Fowle: I cannot hear her 00:07:49 Julie Krishnaswami: I’m not hearing either 00:07:50 Anna Lawless-Collins: I can hear fine 00:07:50 Andi Molinet: I can hear her 00:07:50 Elaine Bradshaw: no sound here 00:07:51 Jennifer Valentine: I can hear 00:07:52 Ellen Walsh: I can't here 00:07:52 Tamara Case: I can hear fine. 00:07:59 Julie Krishnaswami: Thank you 00:08:00 Elaine Bradshaw: Good now! 00:08:01 Kathleen Ludwig: Now I can hear - just now. 00:08:04 Cynthia Bassett: I can hear now 00:08:08 Ellen Walsh: sound! 00:08:10 Nicole Dyszlewski: Everyone good? 00:08:14 Megan Fowle: better now! 00:08:21 Paul Zarowny: Please repeat what you'd said. 00:08:32 Robert DeFabrizio: Good luck. 00:08:40 Cindy Cummings: Repeat the big question 00:08:41 Jennifer Valentine: LOL. I haven't had the Standard Fed requested to be shipped to their house, but I have with the BNA Tax Portfolios. 00:09:09 Elaine Bradshaw: sound cut out again 00:09:12 Jan Gross: Lost audio again 00:09:12 Holly Riccio: Lost audio again. 00:09:12 Paul Zarowny: No audio again 00:09:15 Allen Rines: Andrea's audio is out again. 00:09:15 Cynthia Bassett: No sound 00:09:17 Beck Schaefer: same 00:09:18 Jessica Jones: I can hear her 00:09:19 Kathleen Ludwig: oh no! 00:09:20 Tamara Case: Fine here 00:09:23 Alaina Sciascia: no sound here 00:09:24 Anna Lawless-Collins: Fine here too 00:09:24 Julie Krishnaswami: audio cut out again 00:09:29 Cindy Cummings: No audio 00:09:30 Darla Jackson: Lost audio again 00:09:33 Andrew Kretschmar: I can hear on my end. 00:09:33 Jessica Hsin-Wilson: no audio 00:09:34 Cynthia Bassett: Andrea is jinxed! 00:09:35 Susan Zago: no sound 00:09:35 Nicole Dyszlewski: If you are without sound, consider turning off your video feeds. 00:09:37 Jennifer Finch: eep 00:09:42 Andi Molinet: For those who are having difficulty with the audio, if you turn off your camera, it will save a large amount of your bandwidth 00:09:45 Helen Litwack: If you phone in as a back-up you will not miss any audio if it cuts in and out 00:09:49 Ellen Minot Frentzen: my video feed is off, and there is still no sound 00:09:55 Lisa Bowles: I can hear fine 00:09:59 Joseph Dineen: I can hear Andrea, but I dialed in using my phone 00:10:10 Helen Litwack: In your original email there are several phone in numbers and the meeting ID 00:10:17 Paul Zarowny: no 00:10:33 Emma Wood: My sound is good. 00:10:47 Courtney Selby: suspending them 00:10:48 Ellen Minot Frentzen: We have suspended them. 00:10:48 Jessica Jones: Suspended 00:10:54 Nicole Dyszlewski: Or Telephone: Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 312 626 6799 or +1 646 876 9923 or +1 301 715 8592 or +1 346 248 7799 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 253 215 8782 00:10:55 Anna Lawless-Collins: Suspending all except USPS 00:10:55 Susan Zago: suspending what print we still get 00:10:57 Megan Fowle: Suspended 00:10:57 Lucinda Valero Rasch: Sent to closed office...I pick up once a week 00:10:59 Paul Zarowny: suspending 00:11:04 Kathleen Ludwig: The courthouse can still receive deliveries, so we ae continuing them. 00:11:10 Anna Lawless-Collins: USPS is still being checked in twice per week 00:11:10 Caroline Walters: Suspended. 00:11:10 Olga Umansky: pick up twice a week 00:11:12 Andi Molinet: We are having ours shipped and held at our on campus mail service warehouse 00:11:18 Lisa Bowles: suspended for the most part. will scan if possible 00:11:19 Karen Green: Sent to library and security is receiving them for us 00:11:19 Elaine Bradshaw: Still receiving at closed library, but had problems with returned shipments early on. 00:11:21 Andrew Kretschmar: Our director is now our mailman; they are placing everything in Tech Serivces twice a week where it's piling up 00:11:25 Grace Collins: suspending print deliveries but we are setting up direct delivery of monographs to faculty from our vendor. 00:11:25 Jessica Hsin-Wilson: both suspended and canceled to review our budget 00:11:27 Oi Ling Yu: We notified the vendors to hold shipment and suspend newspapers 00:11:33 Joanna Quint: receiving all weekdays to closed office 00:11:38 Cynthia Bassett: Books are suspended; looseleaf is not. All going to our campus mail and we pick it up there. 00:11:46 Wendy Law: Some shipments have been suspended by the publisher. We still have a person coming in twice per week to open mail 00:11:51 Jennifer Valentine: I haven't had anyone request to have the Standard Federal Tax Reporter sent to their home yet -- although I have with the BNA Tax Portfolios (though I told her no way -- esp since the vendor is suspending print updates on that product). 00:12:04 Iris Lee: Continuing to receive, but tech services is checking in slowly so there is little filing. 00:12:06 Courtney Selby: we have sent a few things directly to faculty offices, but almost exclusively suspended 00:12:13 Stefanie B Weigmann: This is being recorded and chat will also be recorded so don't worry about missing chats. 00:12:22 Andrew Kretschmar: We were behind on Standard Fed before Covid; I'm afraid our filing person will quit when we return... 00:12:40 Jennifer Valentine: I was going in once a week to process all library mail, now it is every two or three weeks, and the executive director of my firm has requested that I cancel all shared print products going forward 00:15:39 Robert DeFabrizio: Do we really have a choice. The price increases are unsustainable. 00:17:57 Sarah Bennett: Have any firms rethought their single provider stance due to needing online access to both right now? 00:19:10 merle slyhoff: Curious - are thse anti-online - is it an age thing? Is it "older" folks who are opposed to online? 00:19:28 Courtney Selby: we're also doing a massive print and digital review - expecting budget reductions next year. when we have duplicate format, we're going with the online unless there is a significant faculty desire for the print and we can justify the cost. 00:19:52 Mallory Hitt: Well, I’m young and I prefer print so I doubt it’s an age thing. 00:20:33 Jan Gross: Some issues with electronic sources that do not have page numbers. 00:20:58 Nicole Dyszlewski: AND INDEXES! 00:21:02 Susan Zago: We've done the print/online review and moving away from dup format. moving to online wherever possible. need to support all students (online/hybrid/residential). Also budget are being impacted. 00:21:07 Alicia Pearson: Yes, I agree with Robert about the price increases. 00:21:17 Iris Lee: The CDC did a webinar about the coronavirus on paper base material. It’s called Mitigating COVID-19 When Managing Paper-Based, Circulating, and Other Types of Collections. It’s available online. 00:21:33 Jennifer Valentine: in my experience it is an age thing, only my older lawyers are demanding the print copies. But, many find print just easier when cross referencing different materials (especially if they do not have access to dual monitors for viewing both ebooks and documents). 00:21:54 Kevin Coakley-Welch: Bob is right. Budget cuts will make lots of decisions for us; "the hand we've been dealt." 00:21:54 Caroline Walters: Is anyone else concerned about free casebook access going away in the fall, assuming the vendors won't be able to do this forever? The casebook platforms are cost-prohibitive, are any of the schools (not libraries) considering funding this or will it all fall on the students? 00:21:58 Jessica Jones: Re: Age. I think there’s definitely a preference among older attorneys for print. But I will say, ease of use and affordability is a huge issue. Most of my attorneys hate eBooks, it’s the worst of both worlds and just as expensive. And the more affordable databases are often clunky and difficult to use and publisher by publisher. It’s one thing if everyone has access to Westlaw Edge with all secondary content, but for most of us that’s just not in the cards. 00:21:58 Christie Schauder: Regarding the "old people prefer print"... I think it depends on the practice area. Some practice areas have online resources that are just better than the print whereas others still rely on the print because it's more reliable or easier to use. 00:22:30 Christie Schauder: I agree, Jess! 00:22:54 Ariel Scotese: At our library (academic law library) one question that we are asking with respect to print materials is short term and building use online materials. If the virus lives on books for 24 hours, what does that mean for circulating items for short periods of time? 00:24:20 Robert Irving: My fear is that with departmental politics and budget reductions, disappearing print would mean, in the eyes of our university, less justification for library as place (hot real estate), which in turn reduces our visibility 00:25:17 Annie Mellott: We are considering funding E-Casebooks, but need the vendors to give us a deal because it’s so expensive. No firm decision yet but there’s a huge need after the trials they’ve been using right now 00:25:41 Iris Lee: We’re trying to figure out what we’ll do for course reserve items that need to be checked out multiple times per day. 00:25:48 Kathleen Ludwig: Andrew, yes, that is also true for us (Trial Court Law Libraries). We've slowly had to phase out general/federal materials in order to make sure we have those important Massachusetts materials as budget numbers have decreased. 00:26:25 Iris Lee: Why aren’t legal publishers doing something to make electronic casebooks more readily available for students? 00:26:31 karen coghlan: There is a what is your library worth calculator available at https://nnlm.gov/mcr/training/program-evaluation/calculator 00:26:42 Jessica Jones: Re: to Anna’s point, we brought up the issue of archiving old editions of treatises with Bloomberg Law when they announced canceling much of their print and were literally laughed at. 00:26:49 Jan Gross: Great point raised about superseded materials. We rely heavily on superseded material. 00:26:56 Mary Jenkins: I've sold traditional print attorney users on digital periodicals, alerts, cases, and treatises during remote work. They're very appreciative of access. We'll see if it continues post-pandemic. I've been happily surprised that they've been willing and happy to get their routed periodicals, legislative history, etc via email and links. Zero resistance and good senses of humor. Took a pandemic... 00:27:14 Cynthia Bassett: Keeping older editions isn’t just an issue for academic as we supply those resources to our state firms as needed. So, if we don’t have them, it is an issue for everyone. 00:27:27 karen coghlan: What is your library worth to your institution? How much would it cost to replace your library services on the retail market? Calculate what it would cost to buy library services - at a book store, through pay per view for articles, from an information broker - if you and your library weren't there.https://nnlm.gov/mcr/training/program-evaluation/calculator 00:28:01 Courtney Selby: http://law.stjohns.libguides.com/sjulawremote/oer 00:28:43 Gary Smith: We also have to consider something we have mentioned earlier today, namely who has access to a computer at home. Many of our pro se patrons do not, so we can not email them material. This is not just a pro- or anti- book attitude, but a practical matter of equitable service for all. 00:29:46 Jessica Jones: Also, to Gary’s point, opening a topical book and seeing forms and an outline is easier for a pro se user, whereas sitting them in front of a database can be overwhelming when they are already dealing with a confusing and frustrating situation 00:30:12 Karen Scoville: The 24 hour quarantine of print materials is high on our list of problems to work out. We do have high in-house use by faculty and students, so at this point, the plan is to have all returns go into the book return at the counter (we don’t have a drop), and materials will be moved by a gloved and masked staff member to a literal “quarantine cart” for a 24-48 hour hold. 00:30:17 Stefanie B Weigmann: Interesting to think about is whether this will push faculty to consider producing open access casebooks. 00:32:51 Robert DeFabrizio: I tell vendors that they are biting the hand that feeds them. Increased subscriptiion costs along with other revenue enhancement schemes (Lexis shipping costs) are symptomatic of this situation. 00:33:57 Iris Lee: Is anyone seeing more faculty interested in creating their casebooks through H2O? 00:35:14 Mary Jenkins: Library worth comment: Visibility is key. If it has been a while since anyone has read the AALL library value and ROI materials or strategically planned for demonstrating value, do it. https://www.aallnet.org/recording/aall2019-f4-roi/ and https://www.aallnet.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/EconomicValue-ofLawLibrariesFinalReport.pdf and https://www.aallnet.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/AALL-ROI-Whitepaper-2016_FINAL.pdf 00:39:20 merle slyhoff: util the bluebook makes major changes some of us will always have to have some print resources that are available online. I've made inroads to get journals to accept online for now but unless the BB changes we're stuc. I'm at Penn 00:39:37 Cynthia Bassett: We have several OERs on our repository at https://scholarship.law.missouri.edu/oer/ but haven’t had huge buy-in by faculty despite a campus grant program to pay faculty to create them. They are time-consuming to create for the faculty. Our faculty cannot get royalties from assigning their own book to their students, but if they write an OER, they don’t get royalties from any other classes that adopt it. 00:41:00 karen coghlan: https://nnlm.gov/ner/funding the dates have been extended due to the pandemic but if you have an idea about making things open access and need funding check us out 00:41:29 Jessica Jones: Merle: There’s also the issue of what constitutes “official” copies for government materials. Without ULEMA or another designation that online material is valid, there is still the need for print in some states. 00:41:31 karen coghlan: https://nnlm.gov/mcr/training/program-evaluation/calculator 00:46:14 Kathleen Ludwig: I think that fear will keep people at home and away from public spaces including libraries. They will use e-resources whenever they can. 00:47:42 Andi Molinet: and what about liability if someone gets COVID from using library materials? 00:48:35 Anna Blaine: Even my construction worker partner raised an eyebrow at the idea of disinfecting books. "Wouldn't that be hard on the books?" 00:48:56 Courtney Selby: we've been getting some of the concise hornbooks via GOBI through their EBSCO ebook offerings 00:49:30 Courtney Selby: And we're getting the individual concise hornbooks because we can't afford the larger packages of digital study aids 00:49:31 Kevin Coakley-Welch: Ebooks, e-filing, e-meetings (such as this) indeed e-Everything will become more prevalent in the post-Covid-19 world. 00:49:54 Allen Rines: We borrow a lot of scarce books via interlibrary loan. You don't want to do anything that will physically deteriorate a book if there's only one or two copies available in the U.S. 00:51:44 Karen Rutherford: Agree with Allen R. There are at times items are needed that are really unique. (I’m thinking of prior art research). 00:52:53 Joseph Dineen: I concur with Jessica's comments. We've run into many issues with ILL where the only available copies are electronic (esp. Wiley). 00:53:15 Cynthia Bassett: I would like to see a sample license that would satisfy these needs. 00:53:47 merle slyhoff: As to no one getting print, I see a possible role for NELLCO to create a shared catalog for copies of last resort. I will raise with NELLCO re ILL. 00:53:57 Allen Rines: We have already run into the issue where academic libraries have switched to e-versions of periodicals and got rid of the print, but the publisher hasn't completely digitized older materials, so there are articles that simply aren't available anymore. 00:54:51 Nicole Dyszlewski: Caroline: I think it is so important to have information ethics and privacy issues being contemplated in that set of best practices. 00:54:58 Cynthia Bassett: Isn’t this the purpose of LOCKSS? 00:55:14 Susan Zago: should PALMPRINT be expanded? 00:55:50 Caroline Walters: Merle I love your idea! 00:55:56 karen coghlan: https://www.lockss.org/ 00:56:08 Mary Ellen Lomax-Bellare: Backlog - with patience and grace 00:56:15 Iris Lee: Looseleaf filing, that’s what summer is for. 00:56:17 Cynthia Bassett: Filing party? 00:56:22 Cynthia Bassett: Margaritas! 00:56:23 Jennifer Finch: :) 00:56:24 Jennifer Valentine: RE: Filing Service. AccuFile has a filing service 00:56:24 Caroline Walters: As we're all canceling and cutting, how can we collaborate/coordinate? 00:56:26 Karen Scoville: I do all physical processing in our library, except for filing, and I have nightmares about all the material that’s piling up! 00:56:39 Elaine Bradshaw: I was also wondering about PALMPRINT’s potential role in the post-pandemic world. 00:56:49 Mary Jenkins: contact@accufile.com :) 00:56:51 Kevin Coakley-Welch: Create a triage system that works best for your local collection. 00:57:13 Kathleen Ludwig: I hear you, Karen. I try to go in once a week to at least organize the piles. 00:57:32 Karen Rutherford: Loose-leaf filing at the Reference Desk, Christie S. 00:57:44 Iris Lee: Train student workers to help with filing some looseleaf sets. 00:57:52 Joanna Quint: We think some of our backlog will be balanced out. We have to cancel standing orders/ subscriptions and all print monographs except those that are “mission critical,” so there should be a sharp drop off soon that will stop the backlog. 00:57:57 Nicole Dyszlewski: I have a question: Would having a follow up conversation on this in a few months be helpful? 00:58:02 Elaine Bradshaw: I’m going in once a week to do faculty rush requests, and the piles are truly frightening. 00:58:04 Christie Schauder: LOVE that Karen :) 00:58:15 Cynthia Bassett: No more student workers for us until fall semester at earliest, so it is on us. 00:58:23 Cynthia Bassett: Job security? :P 00:58:26 Karen Scoville: We were locked out of the building about a month ago, unfortunately. We were going in a couple of days a week to at least open the mail. 00:58:38 Mary Ellen Lomax-Bellare: Karen i share in those nightmares - I am responsible for all processing of materials (except fiche) with aid of one person. My Asst. 00:58:54 Karen Scoville: My director has suggested a pocket part party, and I’m sure she would be totally down with margaritas! 00:59:50 Ariel Scotese: This was really helpful! 00:59:53 Erin Grimes: Thank you! 00:59:54 Wendy Law: Thank you! 00:59:55 Karen Green: Thank you! 00:59:56 Pearl McCrea (she/her): Thank you! 00:59:57 Courtney Selby: can we get the chat log? 01:00:00 Karen Scoville: This was very helpful! 01:00:00 Karen Rutherford: Thanks! 01:00:01 Abbie MacNeal: Thanks! 01:00:03 Susan Zago: Thanks everyone! 01:00:03 Anna Lawless-Collins: Thank you everyone! 01:00:04 Jackie Magagnosc: Thanks! 01:00:04 Tamara Case: Thanks! 01:00:05 Cindy Cummings: Thank you all! 01:00:05 Shira Megerman: The chat is recorded 01:00:06 Mary Tartaglia: Thank you! 01:00:08 merle slyhoff: Great talk! 01:00:09 Andrew Kretschmar: Thanks everyone. This was really helpful. 01:00:09 Mary Ellen Lomax-Bellare: Thank you everyone 01:00:10 Elliott Hibbler: Thank you! 01:00:10 Elaine Bradshaw: Great session. 01:00:11 Maureen Quinlan: Thank you. 01:00:15 Caroline Walters: This was great! Thank you! 01:00:17 Rebecca Bearden: Thank you! 01:00:18 Kathleen Ludwig: This was excellent!! 01:00:18 Saskia Pickering: Thank you! 01:00:19 Courtney Selby: I'm not sure I got all the links and would love to go back to them. 01:00:22 Jean Pajerek: Thank you, everyone! 01:00:23 Brian Flaherty: thank you all - this was great 01:00:26 Joseph Dineen: Thanks everyone 01:00:27 Karen Scoville: Oooh, thanks! 01:00:30 Evelyn Hurley: Thank you! 01:00:32 Jennifer Valentine: thanks 01:00:37 Ariel Scotese: Thank you! 01:00:37 Iris Lee: Thank you for all of the very useful information shared.